Winnipeg Free Press

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - February 22, 1877, Winnipeg, Manitoba R i thursday 1877. Mamtob1 Tiik or o clock. After routine , feb. I. Took the chair at three Mil. asked the Premier if within Tho Hist six months any and what protest suit member or members of Tho Board of education have wondered his or their Rosig nation if so was any and what reasons give j again Tho voters lists had been asked Lor 1 1 t Lull i j 1 i prepared to give Way to Public opinion on Tho measure if expressed and Amend it in committee to would with these seconded by few remarks the Hon. The move Tho second read ing. Or. Cowan scarcely Felt Able to Deal with this measure. Their duty to make the Public representation a fair and equitable one. Tho committee appointed last session it would to remembered took measures to ascertain Tho population of the different electoral divisions so As to Havo a basis on which to Frame this redistribution Bill. 1ml it seems there was sovino defect. F j l l on for such resignation and have such resignations been accepted if not Why not my. Davis replied that Tho Only resignation received was that of 11 is lordship the Bishop of Rupert s land who did not give any reason. After considering it the government thought it would not be advisable to accept it. My. moved seconded by or. Sutherland for an address praying that there be Laid before this forthwith the names of Tho four j protestant members Otho Loard of education Whoso names stand lowest on the list of the members of Tho said Board As entered on the minute Book of the executive i Council of Manitoba. Carried. . My. Royal Hud on the table the re port of Tho superintendent of Lyo Zostant schools for 1870, and moved that the reports of the protestant and Catholic schools be referred to Tho committee on printing. My. Cok Nisu asked to have Tho report read to Tho House. Hox. My. Royal Rose to a Point of order. Committee reports could to read to the House but departmental reports could not. Tin up Kakkak said that it was unusual to read departmental reports. Hon. My. Royal also Laid on the table Tho report of the Winnipeg soneral Hospital and the petition of St. Boniface Hospital. . My. Xiuqi a presented the Rop Oit of Tho so oct commit toe to which was re Hai furred Tho act respecting statute labor outer districts. Adopted. But had not Boon brought Down by the Iov or Mont. This Bill had been prepared with out any reference to those lists but with a regard for the various Ola pcs in Tho country. As a plan to reconcile opposing interests and elements this might be All very Good but in principle it was decidedly wrong. Representation by population irrespective of any class or Creed to believed to to t in Correct principle choirs from Tho before last general election some parties took Strong ground in refer Oneo to this measure. To was Ono of those then advocating a redistribution measure and at a subsequent stage the member for Lockwood next to impossible to Amend Tho measure in committee of Tho whole. He was there fore prepared to take this Bill As Tho government brought it Down and meet Thorn on their own Bill at Tho next general elec Tion. My. Cok Sii had Only a few observations to make on Tho Bill. To was surprised to find that that representing any particular people or supposed to represent the province As a whole should to called on to legislate separately for every single Clement in Tho province. To had supposed that Tho tendency of All Good legislation should to to obliterate such distinctions As was conveyed by Tho half Breed element Tho now settlers Dement Tho old settlers and Iho English and a Yenenh ele ments and interests. 11 j took Tho position that a fair and equitable redistribution should to accorded to All. Hut Iho Bill be fore Tho House would not a flock that some of Tho constitute cos it would to or 100 doctors. Others seen had again the country cheers an analysis of the Bill shows that there will be sixteen English representatives and eight French and a fur ther analysis shows that of Tho sixteen Ono half will represent Tho now settlers. In this Way an equitable representation of All classes would be Given. Tho minister of Public works in introducing the Bill said that there was no pretension to representation by population As Between Tho inhabitants of tin various constituencies. He could under stand that to to every redistribution measure must temporary. The desirable Point was to have the different interests and elements Ropic had no fear whatever for was at a be obtained under hear i l Esmont of government or Iii i 11 i temporary. 1 to desirable Point was to have Barri is Wen no Tho different interests and elements Ropic now Corners and the of r a St Holod fairly. Iho member for j Polar j Point sible for Mainii Niino i to Rose had insinuated that because to was in of to need hardly Isth r position the government Hud designed to were particular Lyth out him out of his constituency. How could Poplar Point the of he reconcile such designs with Tho govern Comers the Wiench ainu ment policy in a constituency represented were All alike Desiron by Ono of Manitoba 7 osts Dull i. Their introduced his Bill. A very poor affair it n . My. Royal. Moved the third leading of Tho Bill in titled an act to Amend Tho was and a majority voting against it it fell to the ground. During last session nothing was done in this direction except to appoint a committee instructed to form a basis on which a really honest measure could to introduced. That committee was supposed to exist in Tho interim Between the last and present session. But in fact they had novel been called together since the House Rose nor had the voters lists Over Boon brought Down. The result was that the House and country wore now favored with a re Lisl Ribu Tion scheme on principle but on interests Ami especially to supposed on interests a Law on the statute Book provided for the enumerators taking a list of residents and my Resi dents in Tho electoral divisions. But what Hoe Omo of it it was a d and letter. And so they had been on nil Oil of the Means of making this Bill what priv g division a mechanics lion act. It was carried on Tho following Bourke Brown Chonier Davis Dick Gunn Mackay. Xor Quny Royal Anil Cornish Cowan Howard Mai tin. And the Bill was then read a third time and passed. Kukui Stiim tax . My. Wok i a moved the second Reading of Tho Bill to Amend vie. J8, Cap. 8, entitled an act to provide for a fair and equitable redistribution of the doctoral divisions of Tho province. To presumed that some explanations wore necessary in order to give members an idea of its details. Tho re arrangement of the representation was one of those questions which must necessarily provoke a great Deal of criticism and discussion. He believed also that it was Ono of Tho most important questions which that House had Ever before it hear As would be apparent from the Bill itself Tho prime object of its promoters had been to give to every party Lopiz Sentos in Tho province a just is with regard to interests and elements. While making certain provisions Dodo Iii from Tho numbers of supposed to he More than represented on Tho of tin House provision had to be made by this Bill to enable those supposed to be unfairly ton represented to got their just duos it would to seen that there had been the least possible interference with exist Iii arrangements and that an Effort had been made to carry out the principles enunciated by the committee struck Luu session on this question of Tho representation. This cipro had Boon a Tricky adhered to. In connection with this question of representation there was Ono Point which had not in his opinion been Hancl e 1 with Good judgment but it was one which always curries favor with the was representation by population Hoar Tho Bill in his hands did pretend to give representation by is it did not provide a representation purely based on numbers As Between individual members and Onesti i a it. The House a right to presume to i verment matured their i i they had not done so Thev insist take the in to visibility. Member u Ere not placed in a position to a Case and they would see to it that the eminent shouldered tin my. U he reconcile such designs with Tho govern ment policy in a constituency represented by Ono of Manitoba 7 that constituency they Hud absorbed in Bale St. Paul hear hear Jovon from this fact alone it would be apparent that some other considerations than those of any member of his seat must have prevail of. Under this Bill anew constituency Tho Boyne and Pembina Mountain Settle Mont had been established if any Community in Tho province was entitled to a member it was that. Isolated and a Hundred Miles from Tho Centre of the province their representation had become an imperative necessity and in substituting this constituency for that of Lako Manitoba Iho government had acted wisely. In the details of tin no doubt be found found in every promoter Luul done All that could fairly 1 Tieso Boc onic divergent. Wha c a Rolls Anbu of Tho to or e would find years ago mayor of u ent his lame 0 measure imperfection would they were con Tantle measure. Hut in Thith requisition to Call the Hon. My d q member is again in Tho Public d i a. In i v.ihi.11 and demanded in framing his measure representation of n on would probably give Rise to i ii Sion and possibly to amendment. There was. He believed a feeling thai Winnipeg to have iwo representatives hear hear lie did not subscribe to that fooling but would not object if it could to done equitably. Some constituency in the immediate Vicinity could to absorbed giving i faction he would be quite Content that Winnipeg should have two representative Lizul lie would protest against Outing con Titi ency losing a member in order to Winnipeg another. Iowa not at All to him that the internet slide . Bit he the i afraid of that in Muju tons now As he was then deviate one Iota he that Hon. Member hear opinion was Tho Tri actions a a were Jim and right they Houm h Proval Ovon though in some Eves be two or three years before f Orino. Became friends. Tie House would be for i work Ash and As nearly is Ion. a head Oft speaking population a representation but the that could then to f 4 for them was m. Jev Tib the had been fully to out since. Him ulers being to Ino Rcv f left in tic hands of Only one a Civ the ought tentative. Tho a in the in Moil Jito Vicinity of thu Eily int re i Januch in common with it that their might a Asoka by boat that time Tho now Hippo de to be favourable to Winnipeg Gen Bui. His ,.xpei Jence led him to the Conchi Mizii thai the. City of had already too much influx ii. Bat a to Preson Talmo and it t r at Tho next of not to the full extern Jasu a and he diction Ould la will of nine the French c old sell Lory of is iut by or seven. Ohio Ftp 14 of that if l j d started in Javori of the outlying districts not Long since but which had been killed Oil to the Deh Ament of i con a Ilii ent a the influence of hear j cok Sii complimented the that and be in Tuon cies but had reference More especially to interests and elements. And honorable members would see connected with that there wore inter Tho to presentation of the province which had to to dealt with the different elements in the province Dur ing the six years of our provincial life had Niso to to taken into account in any Mea sure pretending to give a fair representation m the House. By the Bill it won 1.1 be seen that a full representation had been accorded to the old residents of Ino province _ who wore As Hon. Members wore of Wax on to notice the gradual constant immoral Ion u i h Rone seemed to Continuo Lorain years. Doloro Long these new Corner to m a majority. Having then to control Ling hand and tin. Bills As that before Likely they would forget the Way their Mier in to Samv that the is that Tho pioneers of the country stood there As Tho representative of element and maintain Rod that it was Noth ing but air that they should to amply rese returned Moro by the old he ment than Tho new and this per haps accounted for hat Hon. Gent conduct in the House on More the gentleman in one vote was taken. To Vine. To serve twi. Was n Casion when tin Between two t crest.--. could not look Back on any us votes which wore Cah plated to do injustice either to old settlers or canadians j in the country fact that there Cheops shut his Eves to die i i i v i to f i conflicting elements Here. And while Mem Bors of the House should be prepared to do Justice to one must if in honest re u i eur Liiri views ing him to the House. Lead tried to pursue such to just to All. A course As would presented Hoar while Seekim to do every Justice to those coming Dur ing the last six years the f Jovern mint should not but Accord to the old settlers Tho share of representation which been even when the old set assigned to them. Tiers had Tho balance of Power in their hands it would not to forgotten that so far from socking to take advantage of their position they had always been Liberal to wards the now Only to be Able Loi sed by v in not on acting anything prejudicial to their inter osts but in Doin their promotion. What was possible for now that Tho num Bers and wealth of the newcomers would bring about a new Era this attitude of the old settlers would no doubt be remembered to then advantage to show Moro exactly the provisions of this measure to would now go into an analysis of its provi Siona. It provided that Iivo of Tho outlying districts should be represented on Tho floor of the House provision was also made by which three other electoral Divi sons should be under the control of the new English element and might to so re presented if they chose to Avail themselves of Tho act hear this would Tho new element in Tho province a repro of eight. For Tho old in Lisl residents a representation of Oil it Luu Ulso been placing both on an equal footing. Eight other constituencies had Boon accorded to what was usually known As the French element. On this basis the Bill had been prepared and to personally had been charged with Tho Fram Ingol it., provisions. Those provisions wore Jie Boli Ovod Jimj a and Roqu table in Tho of i Domoj but Iii i Siatros of such Paramount important to would fool it his duty to to Hon. My. Was Happy t to say that his course had pm Nui Jority that Huuson As Ivell As my. Believed with Tho member or Hiigli a Jiula that it would to far bettor to leave Tho Consitt ounces a they were than Cut them up As it was proposed to do like a Nutten loud he did not Bokhove in such legislation and Wane Tho to Arra Gomont that would give Rome son tation by population. If to wore to Apro porous to must be a United people our differences must not to Atod by legislation. my. said that Bosforo the Abo Mono the upper chamber to would 1 looked for territorial division without e a j o nationality or Creed but now to of t u and element Lici Ontl the some extent the be Intel ests of the people Send to happened to be of a certain class interests were not inf Itzy represented in that House. During three sessions of this parliament he had several times to stand up in that Louse with two solitary supporters on questions touching outlying constituencies of outside , there were Only three portent one and ought to to carried out i and in the. Interests of tie whole i to Macc. Was one of those who Theja to general election Dono i cod the mus Lii i of the Repi use Talion accorded the . Their i Host duty should be to Deal with Nitu a. O Creed or now to the Raming no inner then briefly the of thu re Distri i tuition question showing that at the lat general elect Ion he ha-1 spared no Olfort to Orward the measure. Two sessions a of the Lull of the member Lor k Ockwood had Boon introduce.1 but he Crown was no Satis Lud with it and to ild not accept it ing that a bettor . Must soon to introduced. Next session a committee was pointed to Deal the matter and la St of this kind without Refe a Ito Nasty hut this could not be done due regard must a. Dil Lerent Tehmi ints and in 1 1st measure. Tjie Hon. Jioio. Or. It Lis question of the of Winnipeg would u i. Test i d in committee of the w Hole and thai if a Majo it of members declared in favor j of giving Winnipeg another i the government would How to mod. As to any outside i j from his duty for it Lei Tho clique moving m Iho matter be As Strong j they might. If do Heller f they were at Liberty to proceed awl i thu a could do better or even As wi-11 for Lvi of hear and he had him i i in their Loh Allf. I j an 1 they might rest thar As in the government hews i Noble to accomplish Moro than they could a majority would he willing to give Winnipeg two represent once however Tho question presented Nhai cons tit Ncncy i be absorbed the French had ten conf Ilu encinos. But gave up one Brulor the to the English speaking the old skiers Persia Jas. Even More Dolor mined than before to retain to Iii represent Lalion. What was to he done undo k if a Socorso some constituency would have to to j swallowed up. To . When they gel j into committee of tie whole to move a if solution giving Winnipeg in creased representation and tin " l would to seen who the friends of the City there was no use saying in t. By Tion Pur. An i simple. My ii Bill Iran id Mill t . In iral Imp i 111 a Ltd c h Oll various Vuk s session Hoha i urge i that it should to taken c 1 it a we o Uro eci out now to Felt that Tho safeguard having been withdrawn ,7 was somewhat Altorio hitherto they had had but a sorry t of it Hoar hear it was All very Well proach clock rings the abolition o All Universal Concord the fact remained that Rop Rose would reflect Tho opinions of heir encinos. The settlement but running of roads through the came up some ses to s of the House represent Lin outlying Tho Memluk seemed to him that Tho is it let m not in Tho interests of Tho whole Oom especially of that class which to Clarino i to be unfairly this measure should to proceeded with i made As quit Bio As possible Tho Reading having taken place in might that and Ond be that ditto rent classes and not be overlooked while for to saw Uii orests could his part to was Ivo of the old them All the 10 was anti amended in committee of Tho whole. Tho matter was urgent. Hut one Mere session remained Soforo the legislature expired and consequently they had Only this Opportunity to the Bill Bosforo it would b l v. Lilt monitors Lor Unnis to pass me before it would b m to Complete Tho voters lists Lior was Happy to see on is Tion of Vole in 1 n Over this measure that it for to presentation i i to it Fuir constituency to Tho Hoy no. And again 11 u l l in so ol111 v i n t be i f i ii m i. Us liter i i i so spa was that those outlying districts p Asp y that it was Al most impossible up to this time to get any in Pongituro on Public works outside Ihl. Highways hear Hoar. Tho the Tho in this respect districts found in or a secs weighted Downin every Partick 1 h t would to. It coiled info expected that any admin St t ice co in a Bill of this kind we o to please everybody 1 Wourl general satisfaction of Point to looked at was or not increased Rop Rosenti in this direction. Had that arrangement probably Boon Mado to found voting not Tho now Bill the Loo m soc rom sow Lockwood Jii irn mile Wos Tourno and Ombina. That Fea tie Bill to his v i 1, another Foa Turo he liked m the Bill was that it pro As and English elements in i oing a constituency to Tho Hoy no. And matter of Paramount outlying constituencies were now to to creased from three to live 1 imps in committee of Tho whole. Liis Bill would receive very important modifications for instance As giving Ami pipe an other o which Iho citizens wore perhaps on Itlo if it could to obtained without Violat inn Iho Prin Ciple of Tho Bill. The Hon. Member said he would vote for Tho second Rea Linn. . My. Davis said he had listened with Groat interest to what had fallen from Hon. Members. A great Deal had been said about the representation of Winnipeg and some lion gentlemen opposite appeared to address Tho galleries rather than Tho House on this subject. A proclamation had Loo. Boon circulated calling a mass mooting of Iho citizens to ventilate this question. As representative of the City to could say that to Hail Ivory Confidence in the intelligence love of fair play of his r jus r a v. I should i Only Sirij or Miral to i k in lieu Ilis Riols i is 1 Pii Iasi Tho old m ulcers. They were in cry Indium a. Resident on us in Lanns Amis o Milf u a Ioir Triu in he he Tiio-m1 Hail All in wore Leil to. Hut by him of i tear in the Mills of t u placing ii mini Liaro in i. Hati in of tie in am this la tin Criso so Lotier Ellie i m suit to. Milit p of Uio Public i i tin Ivel Winnup i Trio Oon tie i to Viik Ulm a in Mich. Ofin ill fell his 1 to. To sin Flint his Nilon to Primo i tin strongly to in Unity uht Raul. Suk h jul i 0 when Lone we h a us n of would Marvlin unite buy Tiu los on Llu path of opposite took an of i Noral nary lion to tits Ino ins Niv. It is will not Ilu Ioviti Uncini to that Mas Sivly a Iau so Tion. Hai Havink shown Bill t lie Ivy i Iii in Ink to incs Pylon of 1 Opler 1 ont Iionno and t Ofln-1 of Ivi Uhlna month in a r my to Hon. The of on its in i ii in i Iii tnc.i.siii-i1 that could to s it he h if. tha Iti. Tell on inn la in a Intini , if Thuv co l i injustice in the Bill Tho Ove. Cd fully Ann ii l i. Ali Bill on the to is an-1 t in trod Noine it. L Wil l ii. A. Chat the Wornhor for i Jav . La Jui instance of a do m. Jimh s. Mas very will for Hon. L j Deal in us Iura in on i n.-. La soil in by half of was Rafn not spa Fri ;