Winnipeg Free Press

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - May 1, 1915, Winnipeg, Manitoba Manitoba free 3. Winnipeg May 1.1915. Says Horwood tried to secure Cha Geof record evidence before Koyal commis Sion yesterday by Edwin Salt was. Sensational. Brother of William Salt says latter was approached by provincial architect on matter. Evidence was Given yesterday be fore the Royal commission on the new parliament buildings to the effect that v. W. Norwood the provincial architect tried to induce the miss ing William Salt to alter his records of the work done on the caissons. Salt declined to fall i w than 5 suggestion saying he might be liable to to to jail. Edwin Salt brother of William was the Man that gave this Testi Mony. He also swore that Hon. Geo. R. Cold Eli Minster of Cauca icon. Tool him into his private office be fore he gave evidence to the com Mittee on Public accounts and Sug not Ges Teci to him that he should disclose his brother s address. J. B. Coyne examined the witness. The first Points brought out were apparently directed toward How William Salt came to leave Winnipeg so hurriedly during the in Cuiry by the Public accounts com Mittee. Edwin testified that his brother with whom he lived on Languido Street said he was going away on a Holiday. Kechid go away with his wife on March 15. At Minneapolis and Madison. Two Lestere were afterwards received by Edwin from we. Salt Tho first being despatched from min Neapolis on March 19, and these cond from Madison wisconsin., on March 23. These letters informed which lie had in his care. Before doing so he stated that or. Simon a solicitor had asked him to say that the documents in quotation were i Sim pm s private papers that they not in Possession Lor Pui poses of production and that he was not authorized by or. Simon to produce them. The commission however directed the witness to produce the documents. Well will you take a note of my objections i asked i Boddington. Everything that takes place hero is recorded by the re plied Tho chief Justice Bir Iilma. Or. Boddington. Then turned Over to the commission certain in Jinsei jul Archit a Tirral hit firm s copy of. The original specifications for the parliament buildings together with considerable cot Respondence. Referring to the last to said Tho.1 he believed it to be ill the correspondence relative to the contracts which had been carried on by him Elf or or. Simon which was in Winnipeg. He said he wished to make a further search before com mitting himself definitely on his Point. Mctavish recalled. P. G. Mctavish accountant in the provincial architect s office was re called to produce some More papers and also to explain How it happened that he did not produce them Tours Day. Passing a bundle of Docu ments to the registrar to testified that it was the correspondence referred to As having been out of his Possession it had Boen handed Back him. He said by w. A Hunt the Man who had charge of it. Ime lion was made of some papers in. The desk of or. air. Andrews said he had telegraphed the provincial architect in order to Fum out what they were. Or. Mctavish supplemented testimony by aay that the correspondence which s informed him that his Brothel was going to Chicago where his Dicks would be Tho Lasalle hotel. Or Coyne do you know of and one else that received a communication from Yovis brother As a Side line or. You act any in Foni nation which leads you to believe that anyone else has received a in Toi from you Bio l Ery in cab a shall have to Faa no to that. I is no use in. Fencing about this. I Don t want you to swear positively to anything you Don t know but have you any Rea son to suspect that anybody has in Cei Ved a letter7 should say no to that. Officials sought brother s address tue witness he had not for any Lettes to his Bio thei but William Elliott chief govern rent inspector on the Patli Amei t buildings had asked him Foi his by other b address. That was Tho Day before he went on the stand before the Public accounts committee or Mclntyre chief draughtsman m the Nio Vocial architect s office had also asked him Foi Tho Bame information he had supplied it on both occasions or. Mcl Utyro had said he was acting alter the records. His brother had told him that he had refused to do so. Asked to change records. Asked him to change the said or. Coyne it was or. Horwoo i the Provin Cial sold the witness. He requested my brother to alter witness stated that his brother wag in a Vei y state of mind at thut time. He brought the records Home at night but he returned Thorn Tho nest morning. Hie brother s wife had told Tho witness that they had been brought Baclic unaltered or. Coyne started to question the witness with Rogard to what or. Horwood had Bald about Tho Altera Tion of the record. He was interrupted by or. Andrews who asserted that this matter should not is Stone on with in View of the fact that Hury Whitla counsel for i. Horwood was not present chief Justice Mathers asked he was not Thero or Andrews replied that evidently or. Whitla thou fit nothing would come up with regard 1o his client. When Tho examination was continued at Thi suggestion of Tho chief Justice the witness said of could give no details of the conversation of his brother with Horwood. Said that him his brother was going to Chi i Cago and would stay at the Lassalle i the hotel. Is win Salt had these letters in his pocket when lie Tes titled before the legislative committee. He did not give his brother s address and stated that Jar. Cold Eli assured him he would not be Recu tired to produce the letters. The witness further said Liaqat his brother., some time before he had produced had been in the Possession of or. Ali at right along. Bwy had been handled to him that Mcming for the first time at hit request. Jle could not say what had happened to the correspondence since he was first subpoenaed. He Hart mentioned to the Deputy minister that he bad required to produce some documents. He had also mentioned the matter to or. Hunt when he a b first served but As to whether Lily. A Mit took Steps to collect the necessary papers he co old say Noth in asked How he knew thursday that Trie documents had left his of fice and passed into the Possession or. Andrews the said he just Beard the matter mentioned. By lie could not say but he thou fit he heard or. Hunt speak about it. He knew from hearsay and in a general Way that or. Andrews had the correspondence. . Andreys took this Opportunity the City. Home certain records with res turd to the . He was considerably agitated and said v. Horwood wanted him to Chanse tiie records. That they were not changed by William Salt appeared from the next statement of his brother. This was to Tho effect that airs. Salt stated that the records went Back to the govern ment build his without being altered. It was Tiitu. Ibo Examina Tion Edwin halt should not proceed in the absence of Harry Whitla . Counsel for or. Horwood. The commissioners however saw no Rea son for delaying Tho inquiry on such i ground. It was decided that Tho commission shall meet this morn ing in order to a ivc or. Whitla. Who wus out of the City an Opportunity to Cross examine is win suit. Itiat Dame the commission will be until Friday next in conformity with the wishes of k. B. Counsel for Thomas Kelly. Produces Simon documents. Ii. Ijodflimrtor., of sir non Bod in Iii ton produced the documents re lating to the parliament buildings ment to William Salt Tho missing building inspector. Counsel also produced Tho last pay list upon or. Salt s nine appeared. This was i co february attached to it being voucher Arul a be cite. He also produced a pay list for March 22, and made the statement that lie was informed i. Salt had been dismissed shortly Aiter his name came zip before the Public accounts corny item. There was no written record relat ing to his dismissal but evidence of it would be forthcoming shortly. Brother of missing witness. Edwin Salt brother of Tho miss ing William Salt was the next wit Ness. Examined by j. B. Coyne he said he lived at 24s Lang Side Street and entered the employ of the government in March last he entered the provincial architect s office a few Days his brother went away starting work on March 15. It was. He said. On. March 18 that lie obtained his Job and Here lie corrected his former state Merit by saying that was the Dav on which his brother left Winnipeg. With respect to this Cle parture witness said William sail bras accompanied by his wife and before going away said he was off on. A Holiday that information had been Given to Edwin on Friday March 12. After his brother had gone away Edwin received two letters from his sister in Law one from Minneapolis on March 19, and one from Madison Wisconsin on March 23. These let on instructions from or. Horwood in seeking the address. Saw or. Cold Eli Mou i. Cold Eli minister of Idu anon had also interviewed him ibo it his brother he had been taken to see or. Cold Eli the Day before lie gave evidence before the Public accounts committee by or. A Rjohn Ston accountant in the provincial architect s office. Did you see or. Dwell his private office in the parliament buildings or. Did he say to you asked me if i knew anything about Ray brother. I was taken into his office by some Mem ber of the provincial architect a stall. Or. Cold Eli asked to Ali at 1 had to say about Niy brother and if i knew anything about him. I told him what i knew. I told him my brother said he was going on a Holiday. At this Point or. Andrews Rose and suggested that this part of the inquiry appeared to be chiefly for the Benefit of the newspapers. Chief Justice Mathers said the evidence might not help particularly to Trace the witness1, but allowed it As to the. General scope of Iho investigation. The witness Edwin Salt continuing his evidence said that although he told Hon. George coldwell that he had letters in his Possession showing his brother s address or. Coldwell never asked him for this address. Told to keep things Back. Examined closely by or. Coyne he stated that or. Coldwell told him to keep certain things Back. Or. Cold Well assured him that the letters would not be allowed to be fore the Public accounts committee. Or. Coldwell told him he need not Tell anything about the address when lie Salt appeared before the Public accounts committee. Witness said he could not remember much More chief Justice Mathers told the wit Ness that he wanted a candid state ment of what occurred. Continuing. A stated that tils brother had never told him. Of a Little Black Book in which he. Kept his re cords nor had his brother spoken of such a Book. Or. Phippen interrupted to ask in All this had anything to. , the production of documents. Or. That it had to do with the production a witness which was inst important or. Rather he added with a smile the non production of a witness. Brought records. Home. Edwin Salt continuing said he remembered his brother bring in g cer Tain records Home with regard to the parliament buildings. He told the court that he lived with his brother at 2d8 landside Street. His brother had told him that suggestions had been made to him that he should both his brother and Iii brother s wife Lead told him that his brother had stated to hoi Wood that he Salt was liable to go to Lail if he altered the accords. Does not know where brother in. Witness proceeded to state that to did not know where his brother was at present or when he was coming Back to Winnipeg. The last Leher he had received from him was Oil March 23. He had destroyed tins and other letters. No person had told him to do this. There was no Thisie in the letters he said bearing in the Evi Dence. He had destroyed them three weeks ago. After he had been exam ined by the Public accounts commit Teo. Tic had them in is pocket when he appeared before the Public accounts committee. Again closely questioned by or. Coyne he said no one had told him to destroy the let teis or not to keep them. It was inspector Elliott who asked him. Lor William Salt s address. Witness told the court that ins brother still rented the House at 248 landside Street and that his Furni Ture was still there. The witness said that he the House alone. This concluded the examination of the witness and the chief Justice asked the representatives of the government and of or. Kelly if they wished to Cross examine him. Or. Let Linin stand aside for the present. Or. No. He must be Cross examined now Legal controversy. There followed a heated Legal controversy Between the various coun Sel. Or. Phippen urged that the. Adjournment to yesterday had been made Lor the purpose of producing documents. Or. Whitla evidently did not think there would be anything of interest in this for his client and therefore had not attended. Or. Wilson suggested that they Telephone for or. Whitla and have him come to the court at once. A clerk was despatched to do this and returned in a few moments to say that or. Whitla was out of town. In the meantime chief Justice Mathers said he did not think they could establish a Rule that because counsel stayed away they could delay the commission. It was finally decided that the witness should stand aside until or. Whitla was Given an Opportunity to Cross examine him chief Justice Mathers instructed the wit Ness very firmly that until that Ticino he must not discuss with any person and if he was approached by any person he must let tha court know is Cross examined. Or. Andrews then began a Cross examination of the witness for government. Witness asserted that is Liao gone to or. Cold Well s private office with or. Johnston the accountant in the provincial architect s department or. Johnston he said was present at the interview. In answer to questions at this stage witness said he bad discussed the Case thursday morning with. Or. Coyne one of the counsel. For 15je Liberal party in the court House. They had hot spoken very Long How Ever. This was just before he entered court. Or. Coyne he said had Only asked one question. Witness said he had not met or talked with anyone else about the Case nor had to been interviewed by anyone on behalf of the Liberal interests. Or. Coyne later Drew from the witness that he had been snap Anaed to appear in court Only at i o o clock that morning and that he had been instructed to come to the court House at once. Or. Coyne had told him to Tell the truth and not be afraid. Answering further que editions by or. Andrews witness said he could not recollect the words that or. Cold Eli had said. He had told or. Cold Eli the address of his brother but showed him no letters. Or. He said told him that no letters void to be shown before the Public accounts committee. He. Had had Only Ore conversation with or. Cold Eli. Witness then stood aside and to will be later cart or. Whitla. Documents from a. Request a. In to tons res Ardins to Lime usury committee Iii sent out to an a ascertain m41 whereabouts of my. Salt and document which would be prod up v or. Phippen what uie of this document 1 r8 or. Coyne i a Ltd Una it ence to the. Vonu Vic to for Ca " sons at Tho port Garry hotel a in fact a copy or the contract Jiom ins piling to caissons without cos " or. Hits that m a with this Case-.? my. Of to know what we have Tot and if Vocu ment is not in leva. Then we no documents for you. At this Sittg emr. Phippen Iii mini de that the funeral son mme to Whoso death a Currii thursday Moi Nimir. Would probably take place tuesday. Jul ii suggested Ronson l. 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