Winnipeg Free Press

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - June 30, 1915, Winnipeg, Manitoba Manitoba free press. Wednesday june to keep Salt away continued from Pap a one Brydone Jack k. C. Shank lamp and Simon. The last named is expected to arrive from England any Day now. To a. Planning a lawyer of we Jiu i a will be called soon. M. H. Macleod called. M 11 Macleod general manager i i to . Was the for so witness Cim ill to was represented by .1. H. To in turn returned them to fad Ringlon. He admitted that a Clay or so later at the request of or. Anderson lie Hart fading ton bring the messages sex chanced Between Hon. Robert Rogers and or. Simpson covering a period of three months. took these effect that messages had passed be tween these persons. Prior to youi1 getting them for i. the contemplation of such Mea and brought them Back and were returned to Padington. They he understood Anderson was acting or. Simpson the Samp As the others although Anderson did not intimate this. He had no conversation with anyone else in regard to these matters. Or. Coyne asked about the wire to Padington instructing him to destroy messages. The witness said he could throw no Light on this matter. He was not an officer of the . This company was not controlled by the . And Padington. Was wrong in of a Mitt l Cillins t Adington the of Trio . Tale jul company on the Tel options ago. Lie asked him to Vimio lip to his office. A thought he could Ulace the Date at monday. June t. A lieu a Lii virion came he asked for telegrams passing1, Between Ilo Gers and Montague in the three months. He did this on run West of Edward Anderson i i.-. Be on that same Lay. Anderson to his office to see him but gave no of Xii nation As to Why he wanted the wires. Understood they were for the a Irti Ori mentioned. Dirt or. Anderson say "1 understood so As their solicitor. Or. Anderson said this was the or. Said he Only had Deal Ings with Anderson and Padington in the in Altol. Anderson did not say he had communicated with Tho men _ i saying so. What right had you to ask for these it was merely a request i Don t see Why i should he supposed or. Anderson thought he Macleod could get the information better than he could. He knew of no messages passim Between to Ronto and Winnipeg with reference to telegrams or the proceedings be love the commission. I think or. Macleod there is some connection Between Toronto and said or. Coyne. There is Anderson explains it. Edward Anderson was present in court and was at once placed in the Box. He could not fix the Date when he saw or. Macleod. In tune. Addressing it was Early named or Why he had not gone direct to Padington. When Padington brought the Tele Grams he did not read Thotis. He merely opened the envelope in which 1hey came and put them in another envelope for Anderson. The latter returned them the following Day and the commission he not propose to claim As acting for any of the parties concerned. The chairman i Ron t think we should permit a witness to disclose the secrets of his Legal proceeding. Or. Anderson said that Early in june Hon. Robert Rogers sent for him and. Asked him to get tale Between Roblin Montague coldwell and himself. Or. Rogers made the explanation that there wore several telegrams some of them not bearing on the parliament buildings and he wanted to know what they contained. Gave them to Rogers. Or. An Erson Saint he told or. Rogers he did not know the officials of the . Telegraph company so he went to see or. Macleod. The telegrams he received he gave to Rogers on both occasions and they were handed Back to him by or. Sages being put in was in your i Don t know that. I certainly had the idea that some telegrams had passed and there was a desire on the part of certain Persona to see or. Anderson said he had been retained to act for or. Kelly with re Gard to airy litigation that might arise out of the Case but not until subsequent to the procuring of the Tele Grams. Or. Wilson suggested that or. Anderson had been retained a Long As a. Month ago but the witness thought that could not be the Case. Not extraordinary. Did t it occur up you that it was an extraordinary thing you should be requested to get messages off the you were not acting for or. Simp son or. Coldwell or sir Rodmond. You were Only acting for or. Rogers or. Anderson said he did not know just what the Law might be respect ing the priority of rights As Between sender and recipient in Tho matter of getting them off Tho flies. Or. Rogers i had simply desired to see the Mes sages sent to him. He asked for no others. Copies Only furnished. Or. Anderson explained that copies Only had been furnished to him. They Haci All been returned. Asked what was the object of handing Back copies he said he did not know. Bank manager on hand. Ernest f. Kohl manager of the Mol sons Bank Winnipeg said they had no private accounts with the ministers of the late government As mentioned in the subpoena. They Only had an account called provincial he produced pages of this account from a Loose Leaf Ledger. Or. Symington said the cheques for this account were to be signed by a v. Roblin. Or. Andrews objected to the production going in but the chairman ruled that the account could be sex what he had expended Over the first disappearance of did you have an interview with or. Simpson in reference to that mat yes. Or. Horwood had complained to me that he was out of pocket. I saw or. Simpson find told turn that it was unfair that hoi Wood should be out of. Pocket and named the amount that should be Given to reimburse hoi Wood. Or. Simpson replied that he was going to pay that tha next the amount or. This was out of pocket expenses incurred by or. Horwood for keeping Salt away in the first pre sume you know know he was out of pocket. I know the evidence he has Given and i presume it is Cor you told or. Simpson it was unfair that Horwood should be out of pocket for keeping Salt away and that he should reimburse my. Horwood complained that he was going to go through an opera Tion that he was a. Poor Man and that he needed the Money of which he had. Been out of did or. Simpson paid of did Horwood. Tell you Simpson had paid him and or. Simpson subsequently corroborated did he say about the. Said to could pay that any Why did you go to or. Simpson in. The first account of the Money coming to Horwood. Or. Horwood i think told to that Simp son had promised the did Yon discuss with or. Simpson some that had been disbursed. In this did not know that or. Simpson had disbursed at that did you discuss anything about his having paid Rogers. He not know whether or. Rogers handed Back All the Mes sages and he took no Steps to insure the company would get Back All the messages handed to him. To admitted he knew the possible relevancy of the messages toward the commission. Or. Anderson said he had seen allegations in the newspapers to the Waltham Vanguard i "4 1 Road. Vav attn the Waltham Vanguard _ is the most successful and widely used Railroad watch in the with reason. It is a splendid instrument at a moderate Price special features for Railroad men. It is very Strong it has an extra wide extra Long mainspring to insure even action and great accuracy. And there is a wind ing indicator on the dial to show when the watch needs rewinding. While this watch is designed for rail Road men it is a Good timepiece for any one who wishes to enjoy Railroad accuracy. See this watch at your jewellers if that is not Iea Sihle write to us. Or i company Canada life bldg., St. James St., Montreal smooth Lawn Hose service is the Best kind of Economy. Hose bought on looks or Price alone is a doubtful proposition. This is Why service dealers Are offering Goodyear Lawn Hose in two Nero and Nero has a corrugated cover that adds to tha Glide As Hose is pulled about. The inner tube of each is of highest Grade rubber that stands water Lun and rough handling without soon giving out. Ask to see them. Nero obtainable in single lengths up to 500 feet. Buying this Way Means satisfaction through service. The Goodyear tire rubber co. Of Canada limited head office Toronto int. Factory Bowmanville one. Out considerable Money at that the in1s Amiuel privately. Another banker called. B. Belair manager of the Bank of Honcho Ungru stated he had nothing to produce. The names mentioned in the subpoena served on him did not appear in the Bank s books. Harry Whitla examined. Harry Lii la was then called. He was examined by h. J. Symington. He testified that he had acted for v. W. Horwood. Prior to being re gained by or. Horwood he had. No connection with the parliament build Ings affair. This took place two or three Days before Horwood left for Rochester. Horwood told him he had applied to the government for temporary leave of absence Ern ment wanted him to ask for a More extended leave. Or. Whua however advised his client that it Wiir it not to be necessary for him to do that. Consequently. Horwood did not dose. Was a letter submitted to you for Horwood to sign prepared by a member of the yes. I did not agree with the terms of or. Montague s letter. I therefore drafted another. My letter would be ail objection to or. Mon Tague s. Or. Symington showed a letter to the and asked him if it was or. Montague s. After looking at it or. Whitla said it dealt with the same matter but he could not sweat that it was the same letter. He fancied the original letter was longer. Did you have any conference with the i was asked to attend a meeting. I went and told them Horwood would Only for temporary leave of absence. It was stated by one of the ministers that As or. Horwood was away Tho provincial works were seriously delayed. There was Jio one to direct payments. The government wanted to appoint an acting architect but did not care to do so while or Horwood occupied his or. Whitla said to had stated at the meeting that if there was any of in the Way or. Horwood could resign or he could be dismissed. He however did not like either alternative and neither was discussed. He did not remember who made Tho suggestion about his fees but the suggestion was made by one of the ministers that to might nuclei stand that Horwood s expenses would be looked after and would be paid either by him or by them. Witness said he told them that his tinder standing was thai or Horwood was to pay the fees of counsel and that he had. Many friends who were willing to assist him if necessary to that extent. I told he mentioned to me something about Hook s escapade at that did or. Simpson say to whom he had handed the i Don t think sent to Salt. You never Hoard anything about any of the ministers lit this connect names were not mentioned. Or. Simpson merely said that had been sent Down to be Given Salt and. That Hook had re ported he had. Been during that conversation did not any of the ministers come into ques not to my or. Whitla explained that he had made arrangements with the Pinker ton a Cilcy to ascertain about Salt and the Agency reported to him from the St. Paul office that they had located Salt in St. Paul and were keeping him under surveillance. He did not recollect what he told the Agency but he thought he must informed them that Salt s presence Here was not desirable. The Agency afterwards reported that Salt wanted Money to keep away. Any sum the sum of which i considered absolutely out of the question if any Money were to be paid at All. I communicated this fact to or. Simpson who also regarded the amount As an Absurdity. As the result however or. Simpson brought and 1 transmitted this to the Agency at St. what did the Pinkerton Agency they reported that or. Salt would not look at. laughter what instructions did the Agency convey to "1 was instructed that they thought Salt wanted about communicated that fact to. Fair. Simp son and another was brought in and just i told him there would be expenses which he would have to pay. I Don t know what or. Simpson s reply was but i stated there would be for detective Agency expenses etc., arid that the total would Likely be what did or. Simpson this was on the May Holiday and or. Simpson replied As the Banks closed he was unable to get any More than of the or. Simpson was very careful not to mention the names of any parties who were paying him the Money at that Howden to put up balance that time that i was receiving Money for Horwood s or. Wii la stated that subset Cuenl by i lad a conversation with or. Simpson about the and told him that in the final settling up of expenses there was a of Over which lie had credited to or. I Horwood. Either or. Simpson or or Howden he thoth fit it was or. Simpson told i him that of the Money had been borrowed for Jan some fund which had been put up in. Connection with sonic election protest and would have to to repaid. He did not know where any of the rest of the Money came from and did not want to know. Why did you suggest an inter because i objected to being placed. I in tin embarrassing position which i evolved itself out of my desire to protect you objected to being switched into touch with a Cabinet would have washed hands of it. Would gladly have washed my lands of the whole co unset asked the witness if there was anything further he could Tell. Or. Referring to Simpson s reception of the Story of Hook s Rob Bery in Omaha said he told me he did not think Hook had. Been robbed but that Horwood had the Money. I said the statement was very unjust and i did not think there was the slightest ground for this closed the examination by or. Symington. Chief Justice Mathers asked or. Whitla if Horwood communicated to him his Story before he told it to the Royal commission at Minneapolis. Or. Hor Wood had made a statement which was taken Down in writing. It was in exact Accord with that which he afterwards told under . In the preparation of that statement he had the Benefit of or. Lii la s advice. I told him to Tell the absolute truth and to Tell All he knew that apparently would be heaped upon his shoulders. I advised him not to protect anyone because Bis first duty Lay to himself and his family and he owed no Boll Saviou to anyone was anyone else present when he made that or. Coyne was Howden s account produced. Arthur n. Wetherell assistant accountant of the Home Bank produced a liability account of the Hon. J. H. Howden. Attached to it was a note Given feb. 24, 1915, for it was not a renewal the witness said but original. Afternoon session. At the opening of the afternoon session of the Royal commission the chairman said he had been notified by the attorney general that an order in Cour Icil had been issued extending the. Powers of the commis Sion. This Extension of Powers has already been referred to. It endows the commission with All the Powers of an Ordinary court. The manager of the Home Bank was recalled and he produced fur ther Bank records relating to former Cabinet ministers. He said the Ledger amounts would show endorsements made by the persons concerned As Well As direct . Took tender to Premier. Heron a. Bowman assistant Deputy minister of Public works was then called. He asked if he remembered when the tenders for the parliament buildings came in. He said i he did. Instructions were conveyed to him that morning july 2. 1913. That to should Lake any tender that might arrive to Tho Premier s office. A tender came in. And he followed out the orders n connection with it. Which tender it was he could not say. He could not say who gave these instructions. He had never seen the i tender again so far As he was aware. I he thought or. Coldwell was not in i town at the time. Or. Bowman said he Laid the tender on the table in the Premier s office. That was the last he saw of it. Francis h. Head superintendent of the Home Bank was then called. Pie was about to be questioned by h. J. Symington with respect to the account of .1. H. Howden when or. Andrew s objected to publicity being Given to such private matters until it was Clear that they concerned the commission. The witness therefore conferred with or. Symington and or. Andrews privately. Sex Premier today. Or. Wilson announced that sit Rodmond Roblin would attend this morning. There being no other Ivines ses available the commission adjourned. Them added or. Whitla that who brought the Simpson said that or. Howden would Ive me the balance of on the would not be right or advisable for me to make any different arrange ment and i refused any assistance which they or. The interests of or. Horwood and others might i had no Opportunity of conferring with or. Hor Wood at that time As to what his Evi Dence would be. I. Did not know whether there would be any clash or divergence and i did not consider it my duty to make any arrangement different from that which had been suggested by my better to keep Salt away. Or. Whitla said he Hoard from or. Horwood about or. Salt but did not know that he should divulge the conversation he had with him. This was just a Day or two be fore Horwood went away. Salt s name was mentioned. He got word 1 i Over the Telephone one night that to you on the monday else Don t William Salt was coming Back that a Telegram to that effect Een received in the City. Sued that the Telephone and had he pro Call was rom someone in the architect s office and thought it from or. Johnson. I deemed it not in or. Horwood s interests Salt should come or. Whitla added and i co Muni rated with or. what did or. Simpson it was All done the Telephone. I never saw or. Simpson until later. I can t remember the doctor s words. 1 think he said i Don know what 1 can and i think he complained that he could not do anything. He asked me should advised and i replied that i did not Knor that i should advise him but thought the Man should not Home Back and that if he wanted a suggestion he could employ an Agency to ascertain whether this reputed Telegram was right. Or. Simpson asked to if i would do it. I objected and he said he would be responsible for any expenses in purred i saw a detective Agency with the result you Simpson spent Money before Why did you Call up or. Simp my reason waa that i knew or Simpson previously had provided Money to reimburse Horwood for monday what did you recollection is that i objected to have to ask for any Money As i did not like being placed in the position did you ask if or. Howden knew All about not that 1 know when he told you that Howden would give it was anything else is Dia you Telephone or. Must have done did you Tell him that or. Simpson told you to get Money from yes i there any i Don t like to memory. 1 told Howden that or. Simpson had told me he would pay som 3 Money and told him the amount and received was there anything said about using an yes. My recollection is that i said some thing about that. I did not wish to speak to or. Howden on a matter i had been dealing with Simpson about and suggested that he should name an intermediary but he told me to go to his office and that was done i am not sure that i told Howden the facts As to what this Money was for. I would not like to say that i did you were in the Cabinet minister s office for the purpose of getting under extraordinary Circum stances. I want you to cast mind Back As to what took place in that office in relation to is a Little bit difficult forms to say did or. Howdon know what Tho Money was would not Elko to say because i might to what was Tho on which you received that from or would like to say tha i Don t know what or Simpson Tok or. Howden about it but i know that i never told or. Simpson tha that was to be counsel s be for or. Horwood s in t sure of Point. Was anything said when you War with or Howdon with ret Renoe to William in Ltd Well i in Slit Jiva Bild that tha had Rof Renoe t William bait and might i hav no doubt about aay ing it to Simp did or Howdon ask you Why h aria handing Over from i no i Ctm t know tha to did. To knew How much i Hai asked was there not some ova Tho Tea i remember Afek ing or Simpson and it Howden Avo me and said tha was did he say that wan All he be wild a would not say these wore Bla exact words although that was tha purport of up to that time your idea was that the matter had been i under that did not Flay the Money was prices for horses shoot upward new York june .29. Horsemen asserted today that the Purchase for of a Chestnut Volt by shoot Hamburg Belle at an Star aug on Sale was the first instance in a Titch a thoroughbred yearling has old for five figures since the anti ambling Laws were enacted. The olt was bought by John Sanford of Amsterdam . Horse fanciers saw an upward rend in. Values in the fact thai one consignment of is horses sold for crop news you la like the new store service Eggum Hudson s Bay company the free Piess continues to receive interesting samples of the beat Fields of Grain. A. Oatway and g. H. Smith. Of. Lolly Field Man., sent in samples of Marquia wheat one from a Field of 120 acres of breaking which measured Over 2 1 inches and had Heads quite Well developed and one from a 55 acre Field of which was Over 25 inches High and the Heads just emerging from the shot Blade. Geo. Hodge sons of la Riviere sends a Sample of Barley Over three feet Hirsh and fully . Horwood s expenses Ner did. Howden toll you that if. Was counsel s Feas for or he did riot Tell me that thera was no suggestion at lecture on european War. Walhalla . June Wil Liam Spurgeon the English lecturer who has spent the last eight months in England will deliver his famous lecture on the european War on Fri Day july 2, at Walhalla . Operate chinese linens. Honolulu june nucleus of n chinese trans oceanic merchant be purchased soon in the United states according to a. H. Funer sul who arrived Here today on the Clyo Naru bound for san b , to said he was authorized by chinese capitalists to negotiate for two liners and. 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