Winnipeg Free Press

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - June 21, 1934, Winnipeg, Manitoba Winnipeg free press thursday june 21, 1934 investigators to further quiz Ideal transportation plan for greater Winnipeg Bur Ofui engineers who result of their study of the trans Settino i port Atlon needs of citizens in the Are Unk of a metropolitan area. The report was Gether Aid. Simpko stated. He of Ideal Aclo Tecl unanimous on question of new system greater mayor Halliday of St Boniface with Souie thought should be Given to a carry the exception of the clause i com j the question or incorporating Tho deter mending the Aop ointment of a traffic railway into the new system land. Rice Jones said. The Price would form of control might be deemed the Best method of transportation was linked up with Power contracts in the suburbs mayor Hall Day pointed out. The Street railway ran its cars in St. Boniface at a loss in return for receiving the Power contract. An arrangement might be made Aid. Honeyman added to let Light and Power contracts go with Trau Sporta Tion. We feel the two Are linked to Engineer to carry the probe further. crime wednesday he greater Winnipeg committee. One of the chief matters to be Cle Ter mined at the next meeting. Question of franchise would face the problem of getting irid of the old system Aid. Simpkin j declared. The committee will also consider there was really nothing to dist i a the first com a questions of obtaining a franchise Cus with the Street railway after engineers the from the legislature should the Muni this report Aid. Kice Jones remarked i pallies into the transportation the Mam problem was to follow up j the a cd and helpless frown donations to the Winnipeg foundation fun member it in your will. I business and of linking Light and Power contracts with the car service i in the suburbs. If we have an Ideal system is out lined by this report we should de Termine How it is to be Aid. E. D. Honeyman. The chairman de i Clarid. I realize the greater win a Peg area might not want the City to operate it alone. A commission Ever been too much for me even the dirtiest of windows Are no task at All for this Little Chick quickly easily Bon Ami whisks away All the the Glass Crystal Clear and a scratched. And what s More Bon Ami cives a High the panes Shine nothing else can. That s Ivy it is and for 50 years has been the finest window cleaner you Ean get. And in s equally Good for bathtubs for sinks for Kitchen utensils and All tour other household cleaning. Bon Ami 3n powder form also. Has t scratched yet prices effective thursday june 21st granulated sugar 5 ibs. 32c ibs. 63c wag. Straw. Jam 4 s tin with pectin. .45c Nabob Tea in. Maximum Tea a. Eagle Brand milk tin Sim Rice 2 ibs. Minute tapioca 8-oz. Pkg. 45c i tid bits Macaroni Soi. Pkg. 5c 43c Libby s Spaghetti tin .8c 9e i Aylmer . Corn 2 a tin he 9c Libby s corned beef tin 12c 12c Hall s Sand h Chicken. 3 tins 25c Safeway bread 3 loaves unwrapped inc Highway butter la. Creamery 21 c Libby s prep. Mustard Jar lib. Stuffed olives 4-oz. Pure Olive Oil 8-oz. Bottle. Eclipse pickles. 26-oz. Jar eclipse spices tin a Gerber s infant food tin 1 of i icing sugar 2 ibs. .19c Canada Corn starch pkg.9c i Kraft Miracle whip 1 9c . Sauce bottle .27e 19c 7e shelled walnuts 25c Ontario cheese la la. Pieces chips. So. 9c Ige. Pkg.1 9c chief toilet tissue Roll 3c i big 60. Soap bar .5c Milady toilet tissue. 3 Rolls 25c palmolive soap 3 cakes Nugget kid cleaner tin 1 8e carbolic soap bar floor Wax tin squares Dor. J 14c 4c Loc Highway Tea lb.39c Ripe tomatoes in. 9c Eddy s owl matches 3 boxes .20c Manitoba potatoes 10 ibs 5c Watermelon Klondyke 2 ibs. 9c Sunkist Lemons 6 for 15c Ripe bananas in. 8c Calif. Grapefruit 5c Bing cherries ib.22c Fey. Rome b apples 5 ibs. 25c Santa Rosa plums ib.1 of new Bunch carrots Bunch. 6c Calif. Peaches 6 for .15c new zealand Moons 3 ibs. 17c coconuts 2 for.1 5c new potatoes. 10 ibs. .22c veal Steak leg la. 13c cottage Rolls s. Pkld., in. 1 7c White fish ib.15c fresh caught. Cleaned and scaled jellied veal 500 ibs. Only. Lib. 17c sirloin or club steaks in. Pork Steak lean in. Rolled pot roast beef in. Loin Lamb chops in. 20c Cambridge sausage 1 2c 17c Bologna ib.12e 1 of rib boiling beef ib.7c 20c stewing Lamb in. .1 of Pickerel fillets fresh caught lb.15c 2 ibs. Stewing veal 1 in. Minced beef All for 15c we Reserve the right to limit quantities the report to show the company s Price to be too High. Proof of these Coull be Given at the next session of the legislature. Reeve Donald Hooper of St. James thought something should be known about the value of the Street railway to the new system. The value j. W. Sanger Hydro Engineer replied would be practically nil. The new system contemplated different sub stations. Ii we want an entirely new mayor Hall Day said the Street railway might Only have a Sal Vage value. In Otner words the com Pany has a livery stable and we want a Leport is presented a scheme of satisfactory transportation for greater Winnipeg contemplating the exclusive use of trolley and diesel engine buses was presented by a group of City and suburban engineers. The estimated Capi Tal expenditure to evolve such a sys tem is with an anticipated increase of sir native practices. The interest from the investment of reserves was assumed to be four per cent. Total annual fixed charges aggregated give company s views a transportation system of trolley buses and diesel buses exclusively in Winnipeg will give no lower costs than the present combination of Street cars and gasoline buses it is stated by H. Dahl vice president in charge of operations Winnipeg electric company in reply to the re port of the special engineers com Mittee submitted wednesday. In my opinion the report is Alto Gether too or. Dahl de to Hope to system care of Winter year at a Cost of approximately True enough a system which males use of City pavements altogether in Stead of operating upon steel rails and which does not have to provide anything at All for construction of City pavements could be provided at i Cost of 40 per cent less than a Tram car system but even at that it is my conviction that the Cost would approximate s30.00 per capita which for greater Winnipeg would mean an expenditure of approximately the trolley bus As a vehicle of transportation is not altogether new. Toronto purchased five of them Back in 1921 but discarded them after a few months trial. Of course the trolley bus of today is a greatly improved vehicle and admittedly there Are Many communities where Condo tax on crude Oil at the present time whereas there is a heavy tax on Gaso line. As i understand it justification for having a 7c tax on gasoline present time what is known As tue traffic actuated signal which makes it possible to avoid delays at any Simal Point if there is no Cross tray signal Point u4wjll axj1 j.10. V lug to tvs Tala a Lii Raoul Lilc is that this is to compensate for Wear Fly interfering. The number of stops per mile and the number of Passen Gers to be carried Are also factors. The general Tempo of passenger pedestrian and vehicular movement plays a part As and tear on the highways by the motor vehicle. If that is the Case then there is no reason Why there should not be a similar tax on crude Oil when used for motive Power by motor vehicles operating on the High ways. In fact the tax per gallon should he twice As High on crude Oil As on gasoline because a diesel bus will travel twice As far on a gallon of crude Oil As will a gasoline bus on a gallon of gasoline. I do not believe the engineers have contemplated that there would be any tax on diesel Oil and furthermore i believe that they have assumed that if crude Oil were used extensively in motor vehicles the Price would remain As at present. These i believe to be false promises. As for the trolley bus it is True that quite a few systems have introduced this Type of vehicle in certain cities in the United states and that it is More extensively used in the old country. There Are however none used in Canada. Taking North America As a whole trolley buses at the present time constitute Only one half of one per cent of the vehicles used for mass transportation. Federal election unlikely after tuesday s voting Ottawa circles counting Over results in Ontario and Saskatchewan sons would permit Good service to be 1 Only As a system employs the proper 10 per cent in passenger traffic due i under Twenty minutes. On routes principally in the suburban areas and in thinly populated sections where it is not necessary to give better than provided by this Type of vehicle exclusively. In cities the size of Winni Peg however i am convinced that if the object is to provide the bes service at the lowest Cost there is no other Way of doing this than to continue the operation of Tram cars on the principal routes and to con Fine the operation of trolley buses to routes where intervals Between ars Are in excess of five minutes and i one of the reasons Why Julene Var Tran 5 1 f 5 to More attractive equipment and better service it was estimated that the new transportation system could have operated during 1933 at a profit of in Normal years it was claimed it could be carried on at a profit or at lower fare schedules than exist today and the service rendered the Public would be better. With the present schedule of fares the system could be operated at a loss of per year on the basis of the same number of Pas sengers carried on the existing sys tem in year in the opinion of the engineers which might be special despatch to the free press from Lafi correspondent by Grant Dexter Ottawa ont., june parties wednesday morning presented a marked contrast. Liberals Are figuratively in the seventh heaven certain that the ver dict of the electors in Saskatchewan and Ontario is a death blow to what Ever chances of re election the Ben Nett government possesses. Conservatives Are in the lowest Depths of despondency and Are still telling Over mystified and incredulous the tale of conservative Strong holds that have fallen to the enemy made in the operation of trolley the rank and file freely concede that buses or diesel buses were detached 1 it Means the end of the Federal gov from the operation of the Tram car i Ern ment. There is More Justifica-1 both parties obtain satisfaction Tion for exempting Street cars from from the showing made by the . Paving charges than there is trolley j although in different degrees. The reports from Ontario constituencies disclose the significant fact that the no City of any size uses them exclusively. Says Cost would not be Cut a transportation system composed of trolley buses and diesel buses exclusively in Winnipeg would give no lower costs than Are procured by the combination of Street cars and Gaso line buses at present in use. It is vehicle on the proper route that there is Hope for reduced operating costs if certain charges such As paving charges for which no allowance is Kat Chewan where Federal conserva Tives View with Complete incredulity result which it is believed is with out precedent in democratic coun tries. A government has appealed to he electors and has suffered com Jolete defeat not electing a single number in the new House. The common View at Ottawa is that the effect at the provincial elections will be to postpone for one year the dissolution of the Federal parliament. This is the emphatic opinion of the conservative members. As they see the situation it is not a question of whether or not they can be re elected but of How much the grand old party can save from the wreck. And it will materially assist them if the govern ment holds on for another year ensuring such financial assistance As another session Al indemnity would bring to them. Liberal elation Over election re sults is tempered with a feeling of sympathy for some of the fallen. The defeat of Hon. M. A. Macpherson in Regina came As a Surprise. His Abili ties As a Public Man and his services to Saskatchewan were freely con ceded at Ottawa by Friend and foe. It is reported that his Elevation to the Saskatchewan Bench will follow Al most immediately and there will be wide approval of the appointment. In Ontario it is believed that the Bennett government will come to the Rescue of some of the fallen leaders. Hon. T. L. Kennedy minister of Agri culture. Is a most Likely selection for the Dominion marketing Board i and when it is established. Hon Charles Mccrea minister of mines May either go to the Bench or the chairmanship of the railway commis Sion. Trolley buses have been instituted As much As they have would automatic . Candidates attracted Little Cally be wiped out. Strength 1 rom the Liberal party but said to be the poorest from Revenue Point of View. Allowance was made for total operating and maintenance expenses taxes on vehicles and property percentage levies and interest and depreciation aggregating mention was made that no provision was made for pavement costs As the engineers Felt they were not pre pared to express an opinion on the extent to which a transportation Utility operating buses was responsible for the construction and maintenance of Street pavements. Use 1933 figures As basis Twenty minutes service some form of j which should prevent the Makins of a gasoline or perhaps diesel bus is j any Hasty decision to adopt either the cheapest Type of transportation to i tue trolley bus the gasoline bus or i the diesel bus As a substitute for the i electric car. We must take into bus i account late developments in the 1m which is Given considerable Promin j prove ments of the electric car. The there is another consideration Cut deeply into the conservative vote employ. Deals with diesel bus with regard to the diesel ence in the report this subject was Gliem much thought and consideration at the recent convention of the Canadian transit association form Erly the Canadian electric. Railway held at Toronto. There Are no diesel buses in operation in either Tho United states or Canada although Montreal acquired one two years which it has been operating for experimental purposes. D. W. Har vey general manager of the Toronto transportation commission sent one of his engineers to England and the continent to study this Type of vehicle and after visiting various factories and cities where this Type of vehicle was in use his report to or. Harvey was of such a nature that the Toronto transportation commis Sion has decided to do nothing with diesel buses for the time being. Con the total Revenue obtained by the i Sid Erable Progress has been made in Winnipeg electric system and its recent years in developing this Type of vehicle but there Are still some faults requiring attention which make it advisable to defer Purchase for some time further. I subsidiaries from the operation of the existing transportation system during 1933 was with i modern equipment it was said the probable Revenue under similar Busi j Ness conditions in greater Winnipeg would have been 10 per cent greater. I or the effect of a j return of business Prosperity was not considered. The group of engineers asked to report on the Ideal system were As j follows j. W. Sanger. Chief Engineer of the City Hydro w. P. Brereton i Winnipeg City Engineer j. V. Van Belleghem chief Engineer St. Boni face e. Of Shannon. Transcona. And .7. D. Buttan Charles f. Gray. F. W. I Pearson and j. W. Battershill. They were appointed on Jan. 23 to make As full a report As possible on the Best system or combination of systems for the particular problems of greater Winnipeg without considering the physical properties of i the existing transportation system. To make a More exhaustive inquiry. I it was suggested that the services of a traffic Engineer be obtained. I the special committee of engineers j confined its work to the investigation of the types of transportation which i had been or were about to become. Adopted by a Large number of transportation utilities in great Britain i and the United states. As far As the Street railway vehicle was concerned there had been published Many operating Cost reports for the greater Winnipeg area hence it was not considered necessary that the special committee should cover the same ground. Information secured information was secured by Cor Respondence from almost All the transportation utilities and manufacturers of modern transportation equipment in Canada great Britain and the United states. The response was Gratifying and resulted in the accumulation of a mass of statistical operating records and engineering opinion which permitted the com Mittee to Check thoroughly All its conclusions and estimates. Except in isolated cases the report said the trend of transportation service was definitely directed to wards the replacement of Street rail ways by trolley and diesel buses. The trolley bus and made great headway in great Britain for both High and Low density service and in every Case where they had been used substantial savings in capital and operating costs had been made. The diesel bus was a younger competitor in the transportation Field in great Britain. Combine systems after a careful study of correspond ence and information the committee adopted As the basis of its estimates. A transportation system for greater Winnipeg consisting of a combination of trolley and diesel buses. For those routes which experience had shown were definitely established thoroughfares the trolley bus had been selected. For the routes which might be subjected to change due to Industrial and competitive influence the diesel bus had been chosen. The number of vehicles required for the proposed transportation sys tem was estimated by making an analysis of the Winter Peak Load conditions during the year 1933. On All routes Complete schedules were worked out of ample capacity for Rush hour periods and sufficient to maintain a frequency of service generally better than tha which Snow Given it was contended. The number of vehicles required Are listed As follows no. Capacity Tro Ley buses 50 60 .140 16 diesel buses 33 1 american transit association has in the past three or four years expended in experimenting to develop the electric car and they now have cars in operation which can Stop and Start As quickly As any automobile without discomfort to the passengers. Chicago has already purchased two Brooklyn one and a fourth car of somewhat different design will a completed in August. Defends service the electric cars in Winnipeg on Portage Avenue and Park line have an average Speed of ten Miles per hour. The most that could be expected from trolley buses would be to increase this to twelve Miles per hour. In the circumstances to state that the present system is Worth very Little and to claim that Winnipeg is denied an efficient transportation service is not in accordance with the facts. The service in Winnipeg will compare favourably with the average mass transportation provided in can Ada or the United states. Speed depends a Good Deal on other things than mechanical ability in the larger cities. The one candidate elected in Hamilton East won with Liberal support. But in the main the Ontario election tends strongly to prove that the conserva Tives and not the liberals have mos1 to fear from the third party although on its showing to Date neither part or that he would probably make statement next week concerning the Canadian Tariff Board s interim re port on the British textile manufacturers request for reduction of the Canadian duties. Exchange occurs in British House Over elections in Ontario salad Days Are Here again salads Are made More enjoyable and salad dressings More Delici Ous Lea Perrins sauce Canadian press despatch London june 21. The House of commons laughed and then cheered wednesday As sir Percy Harris lib eral member asked j. H. Thomas Secretary for dominions if he Hac seen Ontario s opinion of the Tariff Board As reflected in the Ontario i have seen the minister re plied and i am quite sure the honorable baronet is envious that he need lose sleep Over the situation. Does not live in this is also believed True of Sas the minister had told a question in t that funny but it s True that s Why your Canary needs gravel. To grind food into a digestible condition. Brocks gravel is the finest hard gravel washed screened and sterilized. Gravel is also essential for your Bird s Daws and feet and for Cage sanitation. C 1 7 Brocks we deliver to All parts daily Ash owns no mail orders for specials i might say that the principal Economy in the use of the diesel bus to travel. There is the matter of is that it costs less to operate this signals which cause considerable de _ Type of vehicle because it uses crude Lay. New types of signals Are Bem b Cutter Treal has at the special offerings for thursday and Friday during june july and August store closes saturday 1 . Outstanding plane value Stanley made smooth planes Oil instead of gasoline. There is no introduced. Montreal has at the these excellent planes Are perfectly finished and equipped with keen edged cutters. Guaranteed merchandise at Small Cost effective thursday june 2ist stores close 1 . Wednesdays june Jay and August. Jams Sundale Strawberry. I a is Plum with pectin 4-lb. Tin .35c 2-lb. .23e 2 for .45c blended 4-lb. Tin 35c and Strawberry or Apple and Empress Jelly. 2-lb. Glass 29c Safe Tat stores limited without waste canned fruits Aylmer Grapefruit 2s Aylmer pumpkin 16 of Frontier pears 2s plums 2s Sundale Choice limit 1 pineapple. 2s Kirk s sliced miscellaneous split yellow peas 4 ibs 1 5c Sanka Coffee in 49e Aylmer vegetable soup 2 tins 1 5c crap nuts flakes Loc 17c 7e Loe 8e 16e for sandwiches in. Vilo cheese and loaf wrapped bread .15e lunch Tongue Large tin 1 9e Birk s flaked tuna fish Small ____10e Large 1 5e unwrapped bread. 3 loaves Loe wrapped bread 2 loaves 9c Chase Sanborn s tender Leaf Tea 7-ox. Package .23c 12-ox. Package .39c sugar granulated or yellow 5 ibs. 32c 10 ibs. Fli kill 8 01. 16 of. Quart tin toilet tissue Sundale extra Jarge Rolls silk tissue .9e 3 Rolls perfection White crepe 8c 2 Rolls Golden web 3 Rolls soap specials p. G., 3 bars Colgate s coleo 6 bars Lux 3 bars 4 bars fair sex and necklace 15c Gorgon Fly coils 4 for .5c Lemon or Cedar Oil 12 sex. .10c Brier pipe and Page. Cleaners. 1 5c fruit stands Rome Beauty apples 5 ibs. 25c Lemons Sunkist 6 for.1 5c Watermelon ib.4e tomatoes ib.1 of Hothouse cucumbers each. Loc carrots Bunch 6c 3 for. 17c . Head lettuce each.7c cherries 2 ibs. Bananas in. La radishes 4 Bunches 5c spinach 5 ibs. .9c 10 ibs. Rhubarb 5 ibs. 9c 10 ibs. 15c Mew potatoes 10 ibs. 2zc meat Market specials specials from our sunlit 19c .25c .49c .25e 15c Loc Loc ,25c 17c 40 30 30 54 30x freight. The items entering into the Capi Tal expenditures of Are As follows trolley buses diesel buses repair trucks overhead trolley and feed ers s826.000 bus Sheds and repair shops s500.000 automatic Mercury rectifier stations stores interest during constr a Tion working capital i the interest rate on capital i Pend turn was estimated at five per j rent and the rate of depreciation 1 in accordance with current con Kitchen jellied of Tongue ib.39c jellied Chicken and veal lb.37c Macaroni and cheese loaf in. 19c jewel Brand shortening 2 ibs. 19c Choice milk fed veal fillets in 5e curlers ib.1 5e shoulder roast ib.8e stewing veal ib.5c cottage cheese ib.8c fresh caught fish Pickerel fillets in. He White fish ib.16e and this tasty is Iresh from Peanut butter ib.12c Piggy wiggly better than Ordinary beef sirloin Steak round speak ib.17c Chuck roast in. So thick rib roast in. 8c 8c 180 Boneless beef in. Mindless sliced Bacon v2-lb. Spring Lamb lambs of thursday Selling not fat. 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