Winnipeg Free Press

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - June 16, 1969, Winnipeg, Manitoba Nut a Tai Munzar june 10, Israel scorns guarantees As a covering the russians and egyptians express again very clearly their Hope that they can Force Israel Back to the pre june 1967, lines and situation. Again the word which is alter All the declared objective of the in Resolution is not even mentioned. The need to establish secure agreed and permanent frontiers is completely ignored. In other words this should be taken As a declaration of russian policy which is often in the context of the big four described As flexible who can blame Israel for main Taining her negative attitude towards four Power Initia Tives the Cairo Declara Tion proves again that the soviet Union is not willing or ready to agree to any thing which is not Egypt s policy. We do not underestimate the difficulties but we would have to say no even to our friends if they tried to persuade us to accept a settlement that was not a settlement. I do not say Israel is All powerful and does not need friends everybody needs friends Israel More than anyone. But after the experience of three wars we have decided this time to go for the real thing failing that to make the Best of our situation As it is. Q. Not Long before he died Levi Eshkol your predecessor said in an interview that Israel does not want any part of the settled area of the West Bank. Do you go along with that a. I want to Tell you quite frankly there is a difference of opinion in Israel. There Are some people who say after the experience that we have had that we should stand on the Post s i x Day War boundaries. Others say we want peace and we Are prepared to Compromise. There Are very Many people in Israel i do not know How Many who do not want a Large additional Arab population because in want the state to maintain its jewish character. But nobody knows How Many think one Way and How Many think the other Way. There is no use having a jewish squabble about Israel s future boundaries before there is an Arab ready to discuss this future with us. Speaking for my self and not for the government i am not one of those who say not one Inch of soil must be yielded q. It seems to me that the heart of the Middle East problem As it is today is to be found in the plight the palestinians with their sense of grievance. Does Israel admit a measure of responsibility a. No no responsibility whatsoever. If you say is Israel prepared to co oper ate in the solution of their plight the answer is yes. But we Are not responsible for their plight. This is a humanitarian problem. But the arabs who created this refugee prob Lem by their War against us and against the 1948 in Resolution have turned this into a political problem. After All there Are Mil Lions and millions of Refu gees in the world and i have not yet heard anybody that said the three million sudeten germans should go Back to Czechoslovakia nobody. I do not know Why the Arab refugees Are a particular problem in the world. Q. Do you think the emergence of the palestinian fighting forces the Feda Yeen is an important new Factor in the Middle East a. Important no. A new Factor yes. There were no such thing As palestinians. When was there an inde pendent palestinian people with a palestinian state it was either Southern Syria before the first world War and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not As though there was a palestinian people in Pale Stine considering itself As a palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist. There is really no such thing As a representative body speaking for so called palestinians. Perhaps there was a possibility of coming to some understanding with people of the Western Bank of the Jordan but after two years everybody has come to the conclusion there is no such thing. Nor do i favor a separate palestinian Arab state. There Are 14 Arab states with immense territories with natural resources. What would this tiny state of the Western Bank really mean As to its viability As to its possibility of exist ence it would have to be part either of Israel or of Jordan. Q. Rightly or wrongly the arabs look upon Israel and israelis As westernized in truders Bent upon aggrandizement in a moslem Middle East. What can you say or do to Stow them that they Arev wrong a. If this Means that we have brought in a modern phase of thinking we have. I came to Israel in 1921. One of the first sights that shocked me was a Arab ploughing with a very primitive plough which was really a piece of Wood with some nails below. Pulling the plough was an of and a woman. Now if it Means that we have destroyed this romantic picture by bring ing in tractors and com Bines and threshing machines this is True we have. We have our own political ideology and so on. We Are i admit an element which has taken this part of the Middle East that we Are in control of that is our country Israel and we have made of it a modern society which is based on More Equality. We plead guilty to that. As for aggrandizement nobody can honestly claim that the War of 1967 broke out because Israel wanted More territory. All that we did in 1967, fortunately for ourselves is that we carried the War on to enemy soil instead of fighting on israeli soil. Anybody who is at tacked tries to do that. Q. At the time of the six Day War and just after there was the most wide spread admiration and sup port for your country in much of the West. There still is but i think it would be less than honest if one did not admit some of the admiration had diminished in face of the continuing Lack of any real prospects for peace in the Middle East. A. There has been a change since the six Day War. Although i have not Felt it Here 1 know it exists and not Only Here everywhere else. This to me personally and to the people of Israel is one of the most shocking experiences. Actually what has happened since before the six Day War Why did we have so much sympathy be cause the world Felt that Israel really was in danger of being destroyed Israel and its people. On june 11, the world woke up to find out that Israel was still Here and the sympathy lessened. We Are told our image has been worsened in some Way. We Are no longer an object of concern on the verge of being destroyed but we Are alive. We can be forgiven for being alive. What we Are not really to be forgiven for is that we want to ensure that we will never again give the world a reason to be concerned about our physical existence. I do not understand it. It hurts us that this change has taken place. But As i have said before if i have to choose Between a lot of sympathy in the world towards Israel destroyed and less under standing of Israel with Israel alive i am sorry that we Are not understood but i think i would rather be alive. Juvenile Man charged after fracas at Beach one adult and one juvenile Are expected to appear in Selkirk magistrate s court tuesday to answer charges Aris ing from a disturbance sunday night at Winnipeg Beach an ramp spokesman at Winnipeg Beach confirmed monday. The juvenile was charged with drinking under the age of 21 and obstructing a peace officer in the execution of his duty. The adult was charged with obstruct ing a police officer. The incident arose after an ramp Constable arrived in a car outside copies inn after receiving a Call about a disturbance. When he attempted to arrest a juvenile on a charge of drinking under age he was obstructed by several other juveniles. 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