Winnipeg Free Press

Winnipeg Free Press (Newspaper) - May 28, 1989, Winnipeg, Manitoba D Winnipeg free press May paged native agencies seek funding pm Leader woos anglophone my by Nick Martin smashing a Beer bottle Over Antoine head can produce an unpleasant end to the biting his Arm definitely upsets dangling a knife under his nose is a bad and for those without theres always the Basic Roundhouse right punch to get the evening really rocking and Antoine a one of the Guys who turf troublemakers and Belliger ent drunks out of some of Winnipeg watering holes without any mandatory subject to no Industry wide or provincial and with a Legal latitude to exert Force which police admit would constitute assault if Practised by the vast majority of the rounders usually come out second est with the 310pound head Doorman at the Green Brier inn in West a bouncer for three the 23yearold former bricklayer and foot Ball nose tackle says he was a Greenhorn when he started the Job with no formal Given the the cheerful and con stantly smiling Antoine would much rather talk his Way out of trouble and have everyone enjoy a Good that Why he was the Only bouncer in among a group of 25 hotel owners and manag to attend the Manitoba hotel associations initial training seminar last february for beverage room control and legislation covering patrons and employ the second seminar is set for Tomor Row in away from muscle association officials and managers of some of Winnipeg largest pub chains say the trend has been away from one or two big Guys with Muscles policing barroom Many bars put their strength in employing groups of women and less physically imposing management cringes at the word bound preferring or Security there is no Standard set for bouncers and no training but a wide variety of lectures and educational Materi Al Are being said Irene Hamil licensing director for the Manitoba liquor control most pubs dont have Many problems with she some breweries Are working on server intervention programs and the hotel associations training seminars could attract Many More participants who work the barroom floors to improve their diplomacy said association executive assistant Barbara then you dont have the need for big muscular Deputy mayor Don Mitchelson tried unsuccessfully to have the City require that bouncers be bonded and trained after two violent incidents in Antoine predicted Winnipeg bouncers will be in for a rough time after the conviction a week ago of two former bouncers at the Polo Park inn of his assault charges involving the ejection of two customers in i t worried people will Start laying i can see it said who reckoned his bounced patrons Call police about twice a so he Hast faced said Antoine Doest want his last name Hes in the and Doest want his More disgruntled customers to come looking for him at Winnipeg police staff Don Peters said few complaints Are lodged against although he acknowledged there Are undoubtedly incidents that go unreported because bar patrons were too drunk to remember what the liquor control act and the hotel keepers act allow bouncers to use sufficient Force to subdue troublemakers or get them off the Peters they cant go he if you Ordinary citizens do its if a bouncer does it on behalf of the hotel he can use As much Force As needed to overcome the Force that being used against that his Job if hostilities the bouncer should Call the said watching the waterholes brawn control drinking scene Ortr re acc of acc Jpn do free Antoine poses at Green Brier inn bar ready to keep a watchful Eye on the nightly drinking crowd Antoine opens negotiations with problem patrons by sending Over the waitress to Cut off a customers flow of hell then enlist the boozers friends to put peer pressure on him to hell Cut off the entire hoping the majority will Tell the minority to take a Antoine will loom Over the and nicely ask the problem to Call it a the violence usually comes from Strang ers in the 265seat Antoine he estimated 80 per cent of the crowd Are regulars who come for a Good time and get along with it can Start with an argument Over the lineup to use the Pool a drunk thrown out of another bar who Hast had enough grief for one a real or imagined remark or look to or from a or some Guy tanked up who seen too Many butt Reynolds and Clint Eastwood you see it All the its always the Little Guys look at this big goof Over Hes not As Tough As he thinks he Ive been swung Ive had knives pulled on it can get really scary in girls scratch i have scars All Over my my partner has bite we go Down for a tetanus shot every once in a i was asking a Guy for his knife and he stuck it by my face and asked me where i wanted Ive got hit Over the head with Beer you just pull a lot of Glass out of your hair the next with his partner watching his Back two part timers Are there on weekends to beef up Security Antoine tries to Duck punches and wrestle the Guy into submit to carry him out to the Street or hold him for the last resort if you Start if youre a really big ill swing ill hit them As a last sometimes a customer ends up with a bloody said but he shows the police his own cuts and the troublemaker helps the bouncers cause by getting Lippy with the police and repeat ing the behaviour that got him bounced in the first he if you have a everyone wants to take him said Larry presi Dent of the Curtis Gordon motor hotel and three other Winnipeg a Long time i adopted a philosophy i would not employ bouncer Type Jocelyn i try to employ Young executives who will help you with the control of my i really dont like to push people you always have the option you can Call the our problem is to determine where the problem is in the room before it becomes a difficult problem by keeping his staff on the move and looking for trouble brew Jocelyn uses both men and women who hold Down full time Day some As professional and management level who going to stand up and hit a woman in not said were not running a sunday there is a need for he pointed someone who gets turfed has asked for you need custom Why would anyone evict a customer who behaving we dont have we have Security said Ron director of marketing for the hospitality which operates the Garden City inn and three other local hotels with a total of six we want to ensure everyone in there has a Good int distracted by an unruly theres More civil ways of doing things than pushing your weight we hire Security personnel with a head on their not a lot of powerful weapon Ledochowski uses As Many As 15 Security personnel in two adjoining who con verge on the troublemaker and then Appeal to his pals to Cool him they Circle the problem and try to contain where people get Hurt the most is where theres not enough Security if its one the Guy bouncer is afraid Hes going to get Hurt and May use More Force to protect serious incidents Are few and far be Ledochowski Banning bad actors from a bar for months or even life under Provin Cial legislation can be a powerful weapon for an Jocelyn alcohol consumption is Down generally and people Are behaving Ledochowski theres enough rounders out theres always going to be certain clubs in the City that have a problem because of the location there Appeal court acquits Man on sex charge Manitoba highest court has acquitted a Man convicted of sexually assaulting his cousins 13yearold daughter while his wife in a written Justice Kerr twaddle of Manitoba court of Appeal said a number of inconsistencies in testimony from key Crown witnesses about How and when the incidents occurred were too great to they were not confined to mat ters of unimportant twaddle they involved matters of the discrepancies Sug Gest that the stories in albeit at the mans trial last his wife and the complainant contradicted each other on Many details of the alleged to have taken place Between 1984 and twaddle also suggested a custody Battle involving the mans children May have provided some reason for the mans wife to encourage the complainant to make false accuse during the the mans wife admitted to defence lawyer Tim Kil Leen that her estranged husband had been refused custody and want allowed Access to his children since being when the timing of the com in relation to the dispute Over custody of the is taken into it is my opinion that no trial properly directing him could reasonably have found any one of the first three charges proved beyond a reasonable twaddle Justice Sterling who disagreed with the major Ity View of twaddle and Justice Alan Philp on the said he found it hard to believe the victim could have made up the videotaped testimony allowed by judge in child abuse Case work ordered for Man seduced by girl a Winnipeg Man who had sex with an underage girl has been ordered to perform 200 hours of Community service work even though a judge said it was the girls Justice Aubrey Hirschfield of Manitoba court of Queens Bench told Lawrence Frank Livingstone Friday he Send him to jail because of How the sexual act of but he still had to be Pun i agree with the Crown when he says this Young girl was the i stiga Hirschfield she struck me As a Street Active girl who went after what she wanted and got was found guilty last month of having sexual inter course with a girl who was under 14 years of age and not his even though both who was 18 at the time of the of and the then admitted it was she who seduced the age Factor made it a criminal Hirschfield found Livingstone not guilty of sexual but said he believe the accused denial of sexual Intercourse with the Livingstone had insisted the girl weeks shy of her 14th birthday at the time mistaken when she said they had inter the girl testified that not had initiated sex after she sneaked out of her bedroom win Dow to see him on the girl said she told her Mother about the sexual Intercourse when she was caught coming Home the next and her Mother called by Terry Weber a Winnipeg judge has ruled in favor of the controversial use of videotaped testimony in a child abuse provincial court judge Ron Meyers ruled Friday that taped Tes Timony could be used at a preliminary hearing for a Man charged with sexual assault and Meyers rejected defence lawyer Mike Mankos argument that too much time had elapsed Between the time of the allegations and the videotaped in a similar Case in an Alberta judge ruled the use of videotaped evidence a Constitution striking Down a Oney Earold Section of the criminal code aimed at sparing child victims from court the constitutional argument want used in fridays Case in Winnipeg because issues based on the charter of rights and freedoms cant be heard at a preliminary if the Case proceeds to the constitutionality of the videotaped evidence could again be in Manko argued against using the saying a Winnipeg police backlog in dealing with child abuse cases had caused an unreasonable delay in taping the Childs the assaults Are alleged to have occurred Between september 1985 and March the taped state ment was taken by police last excessive delay Manko said the Childs recollection of the incidents could have changed or been influenced during the Crown attorney Neil Cutler countered that the delay could not be considered in Many sexual assault cases with disclosure Doest happen until some lapse of sometimes Many years go Cutler response to the new which allows alleged sexual assault Vic Tims under the age of 18 to give evidence in videotaped has been sharply divided since it was passed 17 months although some have hailed the move As a step Forward in childrens Many defence lawyers argue that it could Lead to the conviction of innocent Cynthia coordinator of the Justice departments child abuse videotaping said in an interview that taped testimony May facilitate the court she said children Are often More relaxed and candid when taped in familiar surroundings rather than being forced to appear in it reduces the trauma of the she Devine also noted Cros Examina Tion int restricted when a Case goes to court because the child is present when the tape is shown and can respond to questions posed by a defence Devine refused comment on the significance of fridays court but said Shes aware of Only one other Case in the province in which such evidence has been ;