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NEW YORK — The presidential debate commis-
sion says it will soon adopt changes to its format
to avoid a repeat of the disjointed first meeting
between U.S. President Donald Trump and Demo-
crat Joe Biden.
The commission said Wednesday the debate
“made clear that additional structure should be
added to the format of the remaining debates to
ensure a more orderly discussion of the issues.”
One possibility being discussed is to give the
moderator the ability to cut off the microphone of
one of the participants while his opponent is talk-
ing, according to a person familiar with the delib-
erations who was not authorized to discuss the mat-
ter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The next presidential debate is a town hall for-
mat scheduled for Oct. 15 in Miami.
Meanwhile, the Nielsen company said that 73.1
million people watched the debate on television,
where it was shown on 16 networks. That’s more
than any other television event since the Super
Bowl, even if it fell short of the 84 million who
watched the first debate between Trump and Hil-
lary Clinton in 2016. That was the most-watched
presidential debate ever.
Moderator Chris Wallace struggled to gain con-
trol of Tuesday’s debate in Cleveland because of
frequent interruptions, primarily by Trump. The
candidates interrupted Wallace or their opponent
90 times in the 90-minute debate, 71 of them by
Trump, according to The Washington Post.
Wallace, of Fox News, pleaded for a more or-
derly debate, at one point looking at Trump and
saying, “the country would be better served if we
allowed both people to speak with fewer interrup-
tions. I’m appealing to you, sir, to do that.”
“Ask him, too,” Trump said.
“Well, frankly, you’ve been doing more inter-
rupting than he has,” Wallace said.
Biden on Wednesday called the debate “a na-
tional embarrassment.” But despite some sugges-
tions the final two presidential encounters be can-
celled, both campaigns said they expected their
candidate to attend.
Trump campaign communications director Tim
Murtaugh said the commission was “only doing
this because their guy got pummeled last night.
President Trump was the dominant force and now
Joe Biden is trying to work the refs.”
ABC News’ Martha Raddatz, who moderated
one of the three Trump-Clinton debates in 2016,
said Wallace was put in nearly an impossible situ-
ation. Faced with the same behaviour, she said she
might have called a full stop to the debate for a
moment to recalibrate.
She never had the option, technically, to cut off
the microphone of a candidate four years ago, she
said. It also wasn’t in the rules that were agreed
to in advance by the candidates and commission.
“To say, ‘He’s not going to follow the rules so we
aren’t, either’ — it’s an unprecedented situation,”
Raddatz said. “That was so out of control.”
Wallace told The New York Times on Wednes-
day he “never dreamt that it would go off the
tracks the way it did.” He conceded he didn’t
grasp quickly enough that Trump would keep in-
terrupting.
“I guess I didn’t realize — and there was no way
you could, hindsight being 20/20 — that this was
going to be the president’s strategy, not just for
the beginning of the debate but the entire debate,”
he said.
Twitter was ablaze with criticism for Wallace
early in the debate for losing control of the pro-
ceedings. That was illustrated by MSNBC’s Joe
Scarborough, who tweeted, “What is Chris Wal-
lace doing? He has no control over the debate. He
asks a question and lets Trump continue yelling.
This is a disgrace.”
By the time he was on Morning Joe’ the next
morning, Scarborough had cooled off. He called
on the debate commission to act.
“While it was extraordinarily frustrating, I think
all of us need to walk a mile in his shoes before say-
ing the morning after, ‘He could have done this, he
could have done that,’” Scarborough said.
Some of the president’s supporters felt that Wal-
lace was too hard on their candidate. Trump him-
self suggested he was also debating Wallace, “but
that’s no surprise.”
Wallace even got some criticism from opinion
personalities on his own network. “Trump is de-
bating the moderator and Biden,” primetime host
Laura Ingraham tweeted during the debate.
Another Fox colleague, Geraldo Rivera, ex-
pressed more sympathy.
“The guy signed up to moderate a debate and he
ended up trying to referee a knife fight,” he said.
Wallace told the Times he was reluctant to inter-
ject more frequently but he grew alarmed when it
was clear Trump wouldn’t stop interrupting.
“If I didn’t try to seize control of the debate —
which I don’t know that I ever really did — then
it was going to just go completely off the tracks,”
he said.
Wallace wasn’t in favour of the power to shut off
a candidate’s microphone, saying it may not have
stopped Trump.
There is some skepticism about what the com-
mission can do that is really meaningful. “I’m not
sure that there’s a format change that can solve
that problem,” said Sen. Pat Toomey, Republican,
of battleground state Pennsylvania.
Scully moderates the Miami debate, a town hall
format where citizens get to ask questions, which
may make interruptions more difficult.
“Having prepared for these, the town hall is a
completely different event in the debate Olympics,”
tweeted David Plouffe, an adviser to former Presi-
dent Barack Obama. “If Trump brings the same nas-
tiness to Florida, it will be doubly painful to watch
but it will be doubly painful for him politically.”
— The Associated Press
DAVID BAUDER
Debate commission
planning changes to format
LANSING, Mich. — Twelve Democratic
governors issued a joint statement Wed-
nesday defending American democ-
racy, vowing every valid ballot will be
counted in the election after U.S. Presi-
dent Donald Trump sowed distrust dur-
ing the first presidential debate.
Trump claimed without evidence
Tuesday night mail voting — surging
in popularity during the coronavirus
pandemic — is ripe for fraud, and he
refused to say whether he would accept
the results. He also called on his back-
ers to scrutinize voting procedures at
the polls, which critics said could cross
into voter intimidation.
Without mentioning Trump by name,
the governors noted his refusal last
week to commit to a peaceful transition
of power.
“Any efforts to throw out ballots or
refuse a peaceful transfer of power
are nothing less than an assault on
democracy,” they wrote. “There is ab-
solutely no excuse for promoting the
intimidation or harassment of voters.
These are all blatant attempts to deny
our constituents the right to have their
voices heard, as guaranteed in the U.S.
Constitution, and to know the will of the
people will be carried out.”
Signing the statement were Gretchen
Whitmer of Michigan, Gavin Newsom
of California, J.B. Pritzker of Illinois,
Phil Murphy of New Jersey, Ralph
Northam of Virginia, Jay Inslee of
Washington, Tony Evers of Wisconsin,
Tim Walz of Minnesota, Kate Brown of
Oregon, Steve Sisolak of Nevada, Mi-
chelle Lujan Grisham of New Mexico
and John Carney of Delaware.
The governors said all valid ballots
cast in accordance with state and lo-
cal laws must be counted and if Trump
loses, “he must leave office — period.”
They wrote that elections are not “an
exercise in controlling power” and that
disenfranchising voters “strikes at the
very heart” of democracy.
“We call on elected leaders at all
levels, from both parties, to speak out
loudly against such efforts in the weeks
ahead,” they said.
— The Associated Press
DAVID EGGERT
12 Democratic
governors vow
all votes will be
countedL ATROBE, Pa. — If America had an Amtrak rider-in-chief, Joe Biden would be it.
The former vice-president, who es-
timates he’s logged more than 2.1 mil-
lion miles on the rails in his lifetime,
added seven more hours to that total
Wednesday as his campaign chartered
a nine-car private train to tour parts of
eastern Ohio and western Pennsylva-
nia — key areas to pick up votes if he
wants to flip the states from red to blue
in November.
Biden spent much of the trip inside
a roomy, window-lined “conversation
car” chatting with supporters he had
picked up at stops along the way. He
and his wife, Jill, also had their own
all-glass space at the back of the train
known as the “president’s car.” It’s
an appropriate name considering the
Democrat’s task at hand: to defeat U.S.
President Donald Trump in November.
Biden forged a political identity
around being an avid Amtrak rider.
Starting around the time his first wife
and young daughter died in a car crash
just before Christmas 1972, he took
the train daily from Wilmington, Del.,
to Washington and then back again to
be home with his two young sons. The
round trip was 400 km, and he made it
every day the Senate was in session dur-
ing his decades serving in the chamber.
His campaign has used the commute
in ads meant to portray Biden as an
everyman, and the Amtrak station in
Wilmington was renamed in his honour.
It’s an image that fits well into Biden’s
latest line of attack against Trump: that
he, the former vice-president, repre-
sents working-class enclaves like his
native Scranton, Pa., while Trump em-
bodies glitzy Park Avenue in Manhat-
tan. Biden frequently says that blue-
collar America is tired of being looked
down upon — an issue Trump capital-
ized on in 2016, when many of his sup-
porters believed Democrat Hillary
Clinton had disdain for them.
Wednesday’s tour took Biden from
Cleveland, the site of Tuesday night’s
debate, to Alliance, Ohio, and then on
to Pittsburgh. From there, he visited
Greensburg, Latrobe (birthplace of
the banana split) and Johnstown, Pa.,
— areas whose industrially dependent
economies, Biden said, had been devas-
tated by Trump’s economic policies.
“I used to look out the window — like
I did on the way down here — and look
into the homes,” Biden told a couple doz-
en cheering supporters on a train plat-
form at Pittsburgh’s Union Station. “I’d
wonder, ‘What’s going on in that house?
What are they thinking about?’”
During the tour, Biden proclaimed,
“I love being on the train,” and called it
his “favourite means of transportation.”
He also noted, when he first started rid-
ing Amtrak, the service didn’t have its
own police force, and he recalled help-
ing rectify that in the Senate.
“It’s not as fast as a helicopter, but I
made a lot of family friends on Amtrak,”
Biden said.
During the day’s first speech at
Cleveland’s train station, Biden was in-
terrupted by a freight train thundering
by. In Alliance, he was jokingly asked if
he had enough Amtrak reward points to
cover the campaign train. His said he
wanted to save his points for an excur-
sion after the election is over.
During a press conference, he said
his time was limited because the train
conductor might leave him behind.
“We gotta get on this train, or all of
you are going to have to run behind it,”
Biden joked to reporters.
The conductor, 63-year-old Don
Lewis, said Wednesday marked his
final journey after 46 years with
Amtrak. Lewis confessed to being a lit-
tle nervous about meeting Biden when
the candidate first climbed aboard the
chartered train, but he also said he con-
sidered himself a Biden supporter.
Biden, making his third run for the
presidency, announced his first cam-
paign for the White House in 1987 at
the train station in Wilmington. Then,
he and his family posed for pictures
off the back of the train. His 2020 cam-
paign entertained notions of recreating
a similar scene but were unable to, told
that Amtrak no longer produces ca-
booses.
Instead, the Bidens’ private car on
Wednesday featured a “Ridin’ with
Biden” sign. His campaign also affixed
Biden placards and signs urging sup-
porters to text “Ohio” to the campaign,
which staffers took down when the train
crossed into Pennsylvania. Other signs
billed the train as the “Build Back Bet-
ter Express” a nod to Biden’s plan for
post-coronavirus pandemic economic
recovery.
In his last stop of the night, Biden
spoke alongside a train station in
Johnstown as a giant freight train rum-
bled by.
“That train brought me back to my
home base every night,” Biden said. “It
kept me grounded.”
— The Associated Press
Biden embarks on Rust Belt train tour
WILL WEISSERT
ANDREW HARNIK / THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Pittsburgh Steelers legend Franco Harris and wife Dana Dokmanovich greet Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden before boarding his
train at Amtrak’s Latrobe Train Station, Wednesday in Latrobe, Pa.
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